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[70.36.157.235]) + by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 129-v6si18906639pfd.201.2018.10.17.10.56.23 + for <rob@landley.net> + (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); + Wed, 17 Oct 2018 10:56:23 -0700 (PDT) +Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of mckusick@mckusick.com designates 70.36.157.235 as permitted sender) client-ip=70.36.157.235; +Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; + spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of mckusick@mckusick.com designates 70.36.157.235 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mckusick@mckusick.com +Received: from chez.mckusick.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) + by chez.mckusick.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w9HI1egQ039009 + for <rob@landley.net>; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 11:01:40 -0700 (PDT) + (envelope-from mckusick@mckusick.com) +Message-Id: <201810171801.w9HI1egQ039009@chez.mckusick.com> +From: Kirk McKusick <mckusick@mckusick.com> +To: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net> +Subject: Re: License naming question. +X-URL: http://WWW.McKusick.COM/ +Reply-To: Kirk McKusick <mckusick@mckusick.com> +In-reply-to: <9bf40da7-afb3-d3d6-3759-d1566c99aa20@landley.net> +Comments: In-reply-to Rob Landley <rob@landley.net> + message dated "Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:57:10 -0500." +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" +Content-ID: <39007.1539799300.1@chez.mckusick.com> +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 11:01:40 -0700 +X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,MISSING_MID, + UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 +X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on chez.mckusick.com + +> To: mckusick@mckusick.com +> From: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net> +> Subject: License naming question. +> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:57:10 -0500 +> = + +> Hi, +> = + +> We spoke at Ohio Linuxfest back in 2013 (you attended my Rise and +> Fall of Copyleft talk, and then we talked in the hallway afterwards). +> = + +> I _think_ I told you about my plans to try to promote public domain +> equivalent licensing, a concept which has a wikipedia page now: +> = + +> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain_equivalent_license +> = + +> For toybox what I did was take the OpenBSD suggested template license +> off their website and remove the half-sentence requiring people to +> copy that specific license text into derived works, and the resulting +> license made it past Google's lawyers! My toybox project has been +> providing the command line for android since Marshmallow +> (https://lwn.net/Articles/629362/) and we're making progress on +> getting android to build under android, the Bionic libc maintainer +> recently sent me a roadmap update about that: +> = + +> https://github.com/landley/toybox/commit/92b359f00057 +> = + +> I called the resulting license "Zero Clause BSD" (by analogy with +> "Creative Commons Zero" and the existing 4 clause, 3 clause, and 2 +> clause BSD licenses), and I even got SPDX approval for it in 2015 +> (because Samsung asked me to shortly after Google merged it into +> AOSP, they'd been adding it aftermarket before then and having an +> SPDX identifier for the license simplified their internal bureaucracy). +> = + +> Then a couple months after SPDX approved it, somebody _else_ submitted +> the same license to Eric Raymond's old Open Source Initiative using +> "Free" in the name, as in Free Software Foundation. (A sadly loaded +> term these days.) +> = + +> I hadn't known they were still in the license approval business +> (they stopped approving new licenses in... 2012? And I remember +> them explicitly _rejecting_ CC0 saying public domain isn't a license, +> which their FAQ still talks about at +> https://opensource.org/faq#public-domain). But they approved the +> toybox license under a different name, then asked SPDX to retroactively +> change their name for it. (SPDX didn't, but OSI refused to admit +> it made a mistake, even though they said they had a policy to keep +> the names in sync. They hadn't done their homework.) +> = + +> Now every time the license is considered for a new use, the confusion +> OSI caused tends to derail things: +> = + +> https://github.com/david-a-wheeler/spdx-tutorial/issues/1 +> = + +> When github itself was considering adding 0BSD to its license +> pulldown (which would have been a big win), I was asked what I +> thought of the naming confusion, and I wrote two long things on my +> rationale with lots of links to earlier stuff, which you can read +> here if you'd like: +> = + +> https://github.com/github/choosealicense.com/issues/464 +> = + +> Anyway, I recently decided to ask OSI to admit they made a mistake +> and change their name for the license to match what SPDX did, and +> there was unanimous approval... +> = + +> http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.or= +g/2018-September/003519.html +> = + +> Until the same guy who was objecting last time showed up to continue +> to object. He ignord the "who used it first" axis, and said he +> wanted to know which name was used more today, and then when he +> lost that argument he said he objects to calling something a BSD +> license that isn't using Berkeley's original wording. +> = + +> My question is: do you object to the name "Zero Clause BSD" for a +> public domain equivalent license that's the OpenBSD suggested +> template license with half a sentence removed? +> = + +> If you want to stay out of this, I understand. I'm pretty sure I +> asked you this in 2013 before I started pushing the name, and +> wouldn't have if you'd objected then, but that was long ago and the +> water under the bridge is dead... +> = + +> Thanks for your time, sorry that took so long to explain. (And even +> longer if you read the big long github choosealicense thread. :) +> = + +> Rob + +Thanks for the through explanation of the situation. + +I have no objections to the name "Zero Clause BSD" for your license. + +I hope that you are successful in getting OSI to change their name +for the license to match what SPDX did. + + Kirk McKusick + |