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+<p><strong>Date:</strong> May 08 2020</p>
+
+<p>Since I have forked KISS, I have received many questions
+that can be summarized as &ldquo;Why?&rdquo;. I have realized that I
+never truly answered this question. That&rsquo;s the reason I am
+writing this post, to give some background on Carbs, and
+some differences between KISS Linux and Carbs Linux for
+anyone who may be wondering. Perhaps I could make this a
+&ldquo;FAQ&rdquo; page later on.</p>
+
+<h2>History</h2>
+
+<p>I had the idea of creating my own Linux distribution since
+the May of 2019. Back then, I had my own <a href="https://linuxfromscratch.org">Linux from Scratch</a>
+build, and I wanted to slim it down my own way and replace
+the software (with musl,sbase,etc.). The name Carbs Linux
+was in my mind since then. I wanted to write my own package
+manager, but I wasn&rsquo;t satisfied with anything I had built.</p>
+
+<p>I had written some incomplete package managers (all named <code>fat</code>)
+and I quickly threw them into the trash can, where they
+honestly belonged. I would want to share them with you for
+laughs, but my hard-drive got wiped and I have a problem
+of not doing an &ldquo;initial commit&rdquo; until a program I write
+is in a usable state.</p>
+
+<p>I have obtained the &lsquo;carbslinux.org&rsquo; domain name in September
+2019, but then life got on the way, and I stopped for a long
+time.</p>
+
+<p>One day on Reddit, I saw Dylan&rsquo;s post on <a href="https://reddit.com/r/unixporn">r/unixporn</a> about
+KISS, and I really thought that it was interesting. Here is
+my <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/ducd34/sowm_kiss_d/f7lua7x">comment</a> to Dylan on that post. I checked out the package
+manager and the repository. The packaging system was extremely
+clean and well-thought. I decided to give it a go and fork
+KISS.</p>
+
+<h2>Differences between KISS and Carbs</h2>
+
+<p>Now, I still baffle when people ask me this question. My
+intention was never to create a distribution with specific
+differences between KISS. My intention was being my own
+BDFL of a distribution I maintain. There are lots of
+differences between the main repositories, but they are subtle
+and not worth talking about. I personally never even installed
+KISS Linux on my system. So Carbs, isn&rsquo;t something like a
+downstream fork of KISS, it is just a distribution that was
+initially based on KISS.</p>
+
+<p>I try to contribute as much as I can to KISS Linux. I think
+that it is a brilliant distribution, and it was a great starting
+point for Carbs. I am really grateful to Dylan and all the
+other contributors.</p>
+
+<h2>What I&rsquo;m working on now</h2>
+
+<p>Currently I have a few projects that I&rsquo;m working on for Carbs.
+These are,</p>
+
+<p>A BSD port for Carbs. For a while, I have been working on BSD
+compatibility on my fork of the <a href="https://github.com/carbslinux/kiss">package manager</a>. I have tested,
+without any more issues, on OpenBSD and FreeBSD. The biggest
+issues remaining are choosing a vendor for BSD, packaging the
+BSD source, and providing a minimal base (like busybox for BSD).
+If you aren&rsquo;t familiar with BSD, BSD has a single source code
+for all of the utilities. Contributions (even chipping in ideas)
+are very welcome.</p>
+
+<p>Adding binary package distribution support natively to the package
+manager. Biggest issue in small/old computers are compile times.
+This feature is for the bigger packages such as webkit, clang,
+llvm that take a considerable amount of time. Some computers
+with low memories cannot even compile firefox/webkit.</p>
+
+<p>Adding rsync repository support to the package manager. This
+is not a current issue, but rather a futureproofing. As time
+passes, distribution repositories grow larger. KISS and Carbs
+are young distributions without this problem right now. But
+in something like 5 years, this size will presumably increase
+to hundreds of megabytes. At that point it will be pointless
+to have the repository sources unless you specifically need them.</p>
+
+<h2>What&rsquo;s up with all the init/service daemons?</h2>
+
+<p>If you have ever checked the <a href="https://github.com/carbslinux/repository">repository</a>, you may have noticed
+that there are lots of init/service related packages. I have had
+my fair share of time with all of them, and it is an area that I
+am really interested in. I have even written my own <a href="https://github.com/cemkeylan/shinit">init daemon</a>
+and <a href="https://github.com/cemkeylan/sysmgr">service supervisor</a>. I maintain all those packages on KISS
+Community Repository as well with the exception of busybox. Those
+are, <code>busybox init/runit</code>, <code>runit</code>, <code>sinit</code>, and <code>sysmgr</code>. I would
+definitely recommend checking out <code>shinit</code> and <code>sysmgr</code>.</p>
+
+<h2>Why I don&rsquo;t publicize Carbs</h2>
+
+<p>There are a couple of reasons I don&rsquo;t publicize Carbs a lot.</p>
+
+<p>KISS is the better alternative in terms of support and community.
+I work on maintaining this distribution just as hard as Dylan,
+but in the end, Carbs is based on his original hard work, and I
+believe that he deserves the recognition more than I do.</p>
+
+<p>Since I cannot answer questions like &ldquo;What is the difference?&rdquo;, I
+prefer staying as the silent sibling project of KISS Linux. Plus,
+there is no point in dividing the newly-emerging community in half.</p>
+
+<p>That&rsquo;s not because I don&rsquo;t have ideas for the future of Carbs, I
+do. I just think that I will deserve the recognition once those
+above lists are checked.</p>
+
+<p>I think that&rsquo;s about it, if you have questions you can send me a
+mail, ping me on IRC (my handle is <code>merakor</code>), and I will be happy
+to answer. Maybe your question fits this post, and I can update it
+to thoroughly give an explanation.</p>
+
+<p>Cheers,
+Cem</p>
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