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diff --git a/docs/blog/20200508.html b/docs/blog/20200508.html index e97b5ff..6bdd7ed 100644 --- a/docs/blog/20200508.html +++ b/docs/blog/20200508.html @@ -1,146 +1,184 @@ -<!DOCTYPE HTML> -<html lan=en> - <head> - <title>The Relation of Carbs and KISS | Carbs Linux</title> - <link rel="stylesheet" href="/style.css"> - <meta charset="utf-8"> - <meta name="Description" content="Carbs Linux - a simple linux distribution"> - <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1, shrink-to-fit=no"> - </head> - <body> - <p class=header><strong>Carbs Linux - a simple linux distribution</strong></p> - <div class="header"> - <nav> - <a href='/'>index</a> - <a href="//git.carbslinux.org">git</a> - <a href='//dl.carbslinux.org'>downloads</a> - <a href='/blog'>blog</a> - <a href='/docs/install.html'>installation</a> - <a href='/docs'>user manual</a> - </nav> - </div><div class="border"></div> -<h1>The Relation of Carbs and KISS</h1> - -<p><strong>Date:</strong> May 08 2020</p> - -<p>Since I have forked KISS, I have received many questions -that can be summarized as “Why?”. I have realized that I -never truly answered this question. That’s the reason I am -writing this post, to give some background on Carbs, and -some differences between KISS Linux and Carbs Linux for -anyone who may be wondering. Perhaps I could make this a -“FAQ” page later on.</p> - -<h2>History</h2> - -<p>I had the idea of creating my own Linux distribution since -the May of 2019. Back then, I had my own <a href="https://linuxfromscratch.org">Linux from Scratch</a> -build, and I wanted to slim it down my own way and replace -the software (with musl,sbase,etc.). The name Carbs Linux -was in my mind since then. I wanted to write my own package -manager, but I wasn’t satisfied with anything I had built.</p> - -<p>I had written some incomplete package managers (all named <code>fat</code>) -and I quickly threw them into the trash can, where they -honestly belonged. I would want to share them with you for -laughs, but my hard-drive got wiped and I have a problem -of not doing an “initial commit” until a program I write -is in a usable state.</p> - -<p>I have obtained the ‘carbslinux.org’ domain name in September -2019, but then life got on the way, and I stopped for a long -time.</p> - -<p>One day on Reddit, I saw Dylan’s post on <a href="https://reddit.com/r/unixporn">r/unixporn</a> about -KISS, and I really thought that it was interesting. Here is -my <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/ducd34/sowm_kiss_d/f7lua7x">comment</a> to Dylan on that post. I checked out the package -manager and the repository. The packaging system was extremely -clean and well-thought. I decided to give it a go and fork -KISS.</p> - -<h2>Differences between KISS and Carbs</h2> - -<p>Now, I still baffle when people ask me this question. My -intention was never to create a distribution with specific -differences between KISS. My intention was being my own -BDFL of a distribution I maintain. There are lots of -differences between the main repositories, but they are subtle -and not worth talking about. I personally never even installed -KISS Linux on my system. So Carbs, isn’t something like a -downstream fork of KISS, it is just a distribution that was -initially based on KISS.</p> - -<p>I try to contribute as much as I can to KISS Linux. I think -that it is a brilliant distribution, and it was a great starting -point for Carbs. I am really grateful to Dylan and all the -other contributors.</p> - -<h2>What I’m working on now</h2> - -<p>Currently I have a few projects that I’m working on for Carbs. -These are,</p> - -<p>A BSD port for Carbs. For a while, I have been working on BSD -compatibility on my fork of the <a href="https://github.com/carbslinux/kiss">package manager</a>. I have tested, -without any more issues, on OpenBSD and FreeBSD. The biggest -issues remaining are choosing a vendor for BSD, packaging the -BSD source, and providing a minimal base (like busybox for BSD). -If you aren’t familiar with BSD, it has a single source code -for all of the utilities (kernel, command line programs, etc.). -Contributions (even chipping in ideas) are very welcome.</p> - -<p>Adding binary package distribution support natively to the package -manager. Biggest issue in small/old computers are compile times. -This feature is for the bigger packages such as webkit, clang, -llvm that take a considerable amount of time. Some computers -with low memories cannot even compile firefox/webkit.</p> - -<p>Adding rsync repository support to the package manager. This -is not a current issue, but rather a futureproofing. As time -passes, distribution repositories grow larger. KISS and Carbs -are young distributions without this problem right now. But -in something like 5 years, this size will presumably increase -to hundreds of megabytes. At that point it will be pointless -to have the repository sources unless you specifically need them.</p> - -<h2>What’s up with all the init/service daemons?</h2> - -<p>If you have ever checked the <a href="https://github.com/carbslinux/repository">repository</a>, you may have noticed -that there are lots of init/service related packages. I have had -my fair share of time with all of them, and it is an area that I -am really interested in. I have even written my own <a href="https://github.com/cemkeylan/shinit">init daemon</a> -and <a href="https://github.com/cemkeylan/sysmgr">service supervisor</a>. I maintain all those packages on KISS -Community Repository as well with the exception of busybox. Those -are, <code>busybox init/runit</code>, <code>runit</code>, <code>sinit</code>, and <code>sysmgr</code>. I would -definitely recommend checking out <code>shinit</code> and <code>sysmgr</code>.</p> - -<h2>Why I don’t publicize Carbs</h2> - -<p>There are a couple of reasons I don’t publicize Carbs a lot.</p> - -<p>KISS is the better alternative in terms of support and community. -I work on maintaining this distribution just as hard as Dylan, -but in the end, Carbs is based on his original hard work, and I -believe that he deserves the recognition more than I do.</p> - -<p>Since I cannot answer questions like “What is the difference?”, I -prefer staying as the silent sibling project of KISS Linux. Plus, -there is no point in dividing the newly-emerging community in half.</p> - -<p>That’s not because I don’t have ideas for the future of Carbs, I -do. I just think that I will deserve the recognition once those -above lists are checked.</p> - -<p>I think that’s about it, if you have questions you can send me a -mail, ping me on IRC (my handle is <code>merakor</code>), and I will be happy -to answer. Maybe your question fits this post, and I can update it -to thoroughly give an explanation.</p> - -<p>Cheers, -Cem</p> - <a href="/blog/20200508.txt">View Page Source</a> - <div class="border"></div> - <p class=footer>Linux® is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds</p> - <p class=footer>Copyright © 2019-2021 Cem Keylan</p> - </body> +<!DOCTYPE html> +<html lang="en"> +<head> +<!-- 2021-02-02 --> +<meta charset="utf-8"> +<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1"> +<title>The Relation of Carbs and KISS</title> +<meta name="generator" content="Org mode"> +<meta name="author" content="Cem Keylan"> +<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/style.css"> +</head> +<body> +<div id="preamble" class="status"> +<nav id="navbar"> + <a href="/" class=navbartitle>Carbs Linux</a> + + <label for="hamburger">☰</label> + <input type="checkbox" id="hamburger" /> + <ul id=navbarlist> + <li><a href="/" title="Home Page">Home</a></li> + <li><a href="//git.carbslinux.org" title="Git Repository">Git</a></li> + <li><a href="/download.html" title="Download Carbs Linux">Download</a></li> + <li><a href="/blog" title="Blog Posts">Blog</a></li> + <li><a href="/install.html" title="Installation Instructions">Installation</a></li> + <li><a href="/docs.html" title="Documentation">Docs</a></li> + </ul> +</nav> +</div> +<div id="content"> +<header> +<h1 class="title">The Relation of Carbs and KISS</h1> +<p class="subtitle">posted on 2020-05-08</p> +</header><p> +Since I have forked KISS, I have received many questions that can be summarized +as "Why?". I have realized that I never truly answered this question. That's the +reason I am writing this post, to give some background on Carbs, and some +differences between KISS Linux and Carbs Linux for anyone who may be wondering. +Perhaps I could make this a "FAQ" page later on. +</p> + +<div id="outline-container-org1398b0e" class="outline-2"> +<h2 id="org1398b0e">History</h2> +<div class="outline-text-2" id="text-org1398b0e"> +<p> +I had the idea of creating my own Linux distribution since the May of 2019. Back +then, I had my own <a href="https://linuxfromscratch.org">Linux from Scratch</a> build, and I wanted to slim it down my +own way and replace the software (with musl,sbase,etc.). The name Carbs Linux +was in my mind since then. I wanted to write my own package manager, but I +wasn't satisfied with anything I had built. +</p> + +<p> +I had written some incomplete package managers (all named <code>fat</code>) and I quickly +threw them into the trash can, where they honestly belonged. I would want to +share them with you for laughs, but my hard-drive got wiped and I have a problem +of not doing an "initial commit" until a program I write is in a usable state. +</p> + +<p> +I have obtained the 'carbslinux.org' domain name in September 2019, but then +life got on the way, and I stopped for a long time. +</p> + +<p> +One day on Reddit, I saw Dylan's post on <a href="https://reddit.com/r/unixporn">r/unixporn</a> about KISS, and I really +thought that it was interesting. Here is my <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/ducd34/sowm_kiss_d/f7lua7x">comment</a> to Dylan on that post. I +checked out the package manager and the repository. The packaging system was +extremely clean and well-thought. I decided to give it a go and fork KISS. +</p> +</div> +</div> + +<div id="outline-container-org5bd8596" class="outline-2"> +<h2 id="org5bd8596">Differences between KISS and Carbs</h2> +<div class="outline-text-2" id="text-org5bd8596"> +<p> +Now, I still baffle when people ask me this question. My intention was never to +create a distribution with specific differences between KISS. My intention was +being my own BDFL of a distribution I maintain. There are lots of differences +between the main repositories, but they are subtle and not worth talking about. +I personally never even installed KISS Linux on my system. So Carbs, isn't +something like a downstream fork of KISS, it is just a distribution that was +initially based on KISS. +</p> + +<p> +I try to contribute as much as I can to KISS Linux. I think that it is a +brilliant distribution, and it was a great starting point for Carbs. I am really +grateful to Dylan and all the other contributors. +</p> +</div> +</div> + +<div id="outline-container-orgbc60244" class="outline-2"> +<h2 id="orgbc60244">What I'm working on now</h2> +<div class="outline-text-2" id="text-orgbc60244"> +<p> +Currently I have a few projects that I'm working on for Carbs. These are, +</p> + +<p> +A BSD port for Carbs. For a while, I have been working on BSD compatibility on +my fork of the [package manager]. I have tested, without any more issues, on +OpenBSD and FreeBSD. The biggest issues remaining are choosing a vendor for BSD, +packaging the BSD source, and providing a minimal base (like busybox for BSD). +If you aren't familiar with BSD, it has a single source code for all of the +utilities (kernel, command line programs, etc.). Contributions (even chipping in +ideas) are very welcome. +</p> + +<p> +Adding binary package distribution support natively to the package manager. +Biggest issue in small/old computers are compile times. This feature is for the +bigger packages such as webkit, clang, llvm that take a considerable amount of +time. Some computers with low memories cannot even compile firefox/webkit. +</p> + +<p> +Adding rsync repository support to the package manager. This is not a current +issue, but rather a futureproofing. As time passes, distribution repositories +grow larger. KISS and Carbs are young distributions without this problem right +now. But in something like 5 years, this size will presumably increase to +hundreds of megabytes. At that point it will be pointless to have the repository +sources unless you specifically need them. +</p> +</div> +</div> + +<div id="outline-container-org6b82fb9" class="outline-2"> +<h2 id="org6b82fb9">What's up with all the init/service daemons?</h2> +<div class="outline-text-2" id="text-org6b82fb9"> +<p> +If you have ever checked the <a href="https://github.com/carbslinux/repository">repository</a>, you may have noticed that there are +lots of init/service related packages. I have had my fair share of time with all +of them, and it is an area that I am really interested in. I have even written +my own <a href="https://github.com/cemkeylan/shinit">init daemon</a> and <a href="https://github.com/cemkeylan/sysmgr">service supervisor</a>. I maintain all those packages on KISS +Community Repository as well with the exception of busybox. Those are, <code>busybox +init/runit</code>, <code>runit</code>, <code>sinit</code>, and <code>sysmgr</code>. I would definitely recommend +checking out <code>shinit</code> and <code>sysmgr</code>. +</p> +</div> +</div> + +<div id="outline-container-orga3d4bff" class="outline-2"> +<h2 id="orga3d4bff">Why I don't publicize Carbs</h2> +<div class="outline-text-2" id="text-orga3d4bff"> +<p> +There are a couple of reasons I don't publicize Carbs a lot. +</p> + +<p> +KISS is the better alternative in terms of support and community. I work on +maintaining this distribution just as hard as Dylan, but in the end, Carbs is +based on his original hard work, and I believe that he deserves the recognition +more than I do. +</p> + +<p> +Since I cannot answer questions like "What is the difference?", I prefer staying +as the silent sibling project of KISS Linux. Plus, there is no point in dividing +the newly-emerging community in half. +</p> + +<p> +That's not because I don't have ideas for the future of Carbs, I do. I just +think that I will deserve the recognition once those above lists are checked. +</p> + +<p> +I think that's about it, if you have questions you can send me a mail, ping me +on IRC (my handle is <code>merakor</code>), and I will be happy to answer. Maybe your +question fits this post, and I can update it to thoroughly give an explanation. +</p> +</div> +</div> +</div> +<div id="postamble" class="status"> +<footer> + <p>Linux® is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds</p> + <p>Copyright © 2019-2021 Cem Keylan</p> +</footer> +</div> +</body> </html> |